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Should I fire my cofounder?

He’s the Tech guy.  I’m the CEO.

We just got accepted into a pretty notable accelerator.  All the funding we need will be given to us once we complete the project, but all of the problems I’ve been having with my cofounder for the past 8 months are about to boil over.  I take accountability for letting it drag this long.  But now, we’re on the cusp of a breakthrough and about 6-8 weeks from a completed product and getting funded … Here is a list of the things that are starting to outweigh the pros.

Red Flags

1)  Showed up to an investor meeting uninvited (he was not invited by the investor because the first time he tried to throw me under the bus in front of the investor and he was new to the team – investor just didn’t like him). Ignored it at the time, because sometimes people just don’t mesh.

2)  Stormed out of an advisor meeting when the advisor asked if he would write a list of project milestones (he still hasn’t – 5 months later). I’ve let that pass because we have other technical issues.

3)  Had a tantrum in front of an investor about his political beliefs.

4)  Read the legal documents, replied in legal jargon. When updated to the changes he requested, he claimed he couldn’t understand the documents or afford an attorney so he won’t sign anything.

5)  Wrote an advisor privately and the advisor called me and said, “Please tell him not to call or write me again.”  Without explaining what was written, when I confided to the advisor I was considering letting him go, he said, “good.”

6)  Upon agreeing to the commitment stated he was a Full Stack Developer –>  He can’t do front end, but as funding is on the line, he told the accelerator that he suddenly can do front end.  Which is it?

7)  Constantly talks about equity.

Pros

1)  He is polite and charismatic when meeting people initially (before he begins to talk at length).

2)  He has completed a good portion of the work. (Although none of it matches what I’ve asked for, there is something to show).

Cons

1)  He’s insubordinate.

2)  He doesn’t follow directions.

3)  He refuses to sign the paperwork necessary to seal the equity agreements and other terms required for funding.

4)  He’s unpredictable and emotional (plays the victim each time he’s asked to be held accountable).

5)  Expects us (CEO/CMO) to hire people to do the work that is “beneath him”.

6)  He’s paranoid – He asks to be present at every meeting and when he attends, he makes it a point to criticize my judgement and point out what he thinks when investors could give two shits as often his thoughts relate nothing to the company.

7)  He’s not willing to chip in and help anywhere else and if he does, he complains.

8)  He spends money without asking or sending receipts.  When I ask for receipts, he says ok, but never sends them.

9)  He doesn’t check, read, or reply to emails.

10)  If someone outside of the company has an opinion, he values that and sticks to what they say rather than directions I provide.

11)  He doesn’t listen.

12)  Coaching only gets applied 25% of the time.  Doesn’t take notes.

If he walks away or I fire him, he could go and try to build the business on his own. The people who have had faith in me thus far (Advisors, Mentors, Investors) will take a step back from me because I don’t have a replacement and I let him go before the product is finished. Lose our space in the accelerator. Most importantly, they will question my judgement as I trusted him.

If I keep him on board, I will get more gray hairs, have a portion of my company lost to someone who only wants a quick exit, continue to hold the legal documents hostage until right before funding comes through in a pathetic attempt to renegotiate terms in his favor, lose my CMO (who works really hard), and effectively lose my power in leadership as he’s not listening anyway.

Should I fire him?  Or should I keep him on until the product is delivered?  What’s a fair amount of equity to give him in both cases?  Can someone rebound in the eyes of their mentors/advisors after firing someone without getting what you need from them first?

26 answers from the community

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

Yes - this will be a disaster, even with funding from an accelerator.

Do you have enough of a grasp of the technology to either recruit a replacement or outsource the development? If you have any amount of those, go ahead.

Try your best to not let the accelerator acceptance (congrats!) dominate your judgement and make decisions that will be messy long-term. Long-term is why you are doing this. Having some non-responsive, combative ex-founder with 20% of your equity is not a good situation.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

Thank you.

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

You list 2 pros and 12 cons. Seems like an obvious decision to me.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

++++++1

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

Fire him - he's unpredictable and unreliable. The person's behavior will only get worse as time goes on.... when you secure funding the person will get worse because they'll see it as social and professional validation. Assuming that your POV is accurate and fair, it's clear that you are making mature and smart decisions about the future of the company. Most investors, advisors and incubators will respect that and may even help you recruit a new person that can fill the technical gap this his departure would create.

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

+1

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

I'm afraid this is a bad relation. You should find a way to fire him.

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

Fire him! the ball will be bigger in some time...

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

How do you even get into an accelerator without a product and a bad founding team relationship??

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

Could it be that he senses you would double-cross him somewhere along the way like what you're doing right now?

Sometimes in a quest to protect ourselves we give off a sense to the other person that we have something up our sleeves and it makes the other person protective in turn.

I've been guilty of it in the past and how I dealt with it was a heart to heart talk with the co-founder which calmed things over.

Plus, you mentioned that the co-founder puts weight in other people's opinion. Find someone both of you trust who can be impartial and put some sense into him.

Buuuuut if you're already dead set on giving him the heave-ho, I have no advice there.

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

That's a really good point. Although, it sounds like the person in question is being more than cautious... a lot of mistakes are being made that are just plain unprofessional. OP - Are you recent graduates?

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

I would normally look on the outside, read this post and think it could be hesitation on the part of the other person sensing a double cross... However, this is not the case. I've always publicly encouraged, acknowledged, and given accolades. I've bent my own personality to not trigger his past psychological traumas.

I'm a recent grad. He's been working for 10+ years in large corporations.

AAnonymous· Sep 5, 2014

Woah. Easy there, group-thinkers! What's going on over on the other side of this equation?

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

Other side of the equation? Been letting him walk all over me. I accept my part in this. Ready to take charge.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

Did you paper this up with vesting and an exit plan? If so, time to make it happen. I've been there and you will feel 100% better. there are other options including outsourcing, promoting someone and hiring someone else once you have the backing of the accelerator. some of them will let you postpone til next batch, too. you won't be the first to have done this.

Didn't paper up? hoo boy I feel for you. but you gotta take your time and ease into this, for the sake of everyone in the company and your investors who you owe your best. Gotta keep a clear head, think long term and perhaps help him realize he's not happy and encourage him out.

A classic move here is to get someone to hire him.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

OP: Why have you NOT fired him yet?!! Only 1 way to go: get legal input to make sure you disentangle without liability, then toss him. Next time grow some balls to nip such in the bud earlier.

Explain to accelerator that you're partnerless, they'll understand; they see it all the time. Show up and work thru accelerator session while searching for a new partner or have them defer your entry till next round. Either way, hire on trial/probation basis; pay contract and if all goes well, then proceed to equity agreement with vested schedule.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

I did not fire him because I know that my weakness as a leader is impatience and having extremely high expectations. So to grow patience, instead of letting him go the first couple times where I really wanted to tell him to quit, I instead tried to coach him. I want my start-up to succeed as well as him to find personal success. I thought it was only fair to continue to act in ways to prove I had no ill will as he constantly paints corporations and business people as evil. I figured by trying to teach him that it's a matter of his perspective rather than people being out to get him was the best course of action I could take. However, he isn't open to becoming better and therefore is un-coachable.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

It doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong. You two should obviously not work together. Call it what you will but find a way to work with someone more compatible if you don't want to set yourself up for a nightmare later.

AAnonymous· Sep 7, 2014

+1

AAnonymous· Sep 11, 2014

Agreed. I've been on the developer side of this (I'd like to think much more mature than is stated here), but I saw how unhappy I was participating in the company and not being trusted. I left. The CEO was dismayed but pulled things together. My only regret is I didn't break it off sooner. I imagine you'll feel the same here.

AAnonymous· Sep 6, 2014

Yes.

AAnonymous· Sep 7, 2014

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Upon agreeing to the commitment stated he was a Full Stack Developer –> He can’t do front end, but as funding is on the line, he told the accelerator that he suddenly can do front end. Which is it?
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If he was a Full Stack developer, He can do front end.

Or Do you you expect somebody else to do that ?

You have to talk with your co founder in detail.

AAnonymous· Sep 7, 2014

I've talked to him about it. He is trying to talk my friend into doing the development for him.

AAnonymous· Sep 7, 2014

Do you have any equity agreement ?

AAnonymous· Sep 8, 2014

This might be the root cause of conflict

AAnonymous· Sep 14, 2014

He's a narcissist. Fire him. He'll blame you but that's not your problem; he is.