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In B2B startup space, would you give away your product?

I am in B2B startup space. One customer is a national, billion dollar insurance company and is interested in using the product, but low balling us. Asks to bring $70K deal to $10K. My cost will be $7K. I know that he is lying since I have inside information, and he is threatening to look at the other solutions. We are the best solution out there, and have a lot of competitive differentiators.

I don’t have any other customers. Other customers are willing to pay the list price, and they will close before this guy. They have agreed to the price that I quoted.  I would love to more clients.

Should I sell it to him for 10K? What would you do?

17 answers from the community

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

How is it "giving it away" when you're making a profit on the deal?

If its a big name I'd ask them to allow you to put their logo on your website and be done with it. Then you can use their name to close other deals.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

This customer isn't going to respect you if you crumble when faced with a hardball negotiation style. A small number of customers will end up taking a disproportionate amount of time, and in my experience those customers who play hardball for no good reason are the most difficult (read: worst) customers to have.

Make them a reasonable offer and make it abundantly clear that if they're not serious they can get lost. It's not worth your time to chase customers who are just going to jerk you around.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

This!!!

Forget that it is a big customer, forget that you need the reference. If you take the deal, you are certainly going to regret it. I did.

Let me also go ahead and tell you what happens in 3months after taking this deal...

1) There are still outstanding issues for you to fix (most likely due to a scope creep).

2) You feel there is no respect for the project internally (no one really takes you serious).

3) You feel cheated (because you hear from Sally that the company just spent big on Software X.)

4) You are looking for another big customer to act as reference.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

Unless you need a referenceable customer, I don't see any benefit to caving on price.

I would, however, explore the reasons why said customer feels the need to chop down the costs. For a large company, $70K is literally a drop in the bucket - so unless there's some type of budget authority issue, I can't see why the $60K price cut is needed.

AAnonymous· Feb 15, 2015

"is literally a drop in the bucket"

You should NEVER NEVER NEVER ever play this card.

I won't pay 10 EUR for something just because it's "just" 10 EUR.

People & companies pay for a product/service that they receive.

The OP should COUNTER (and also figure out why they are putting it down to 10k).

How about "Ok, we make you an offer 20k and we'll use you as customer reference". On top, you can throw a couple of months free support depending on the product.

People only pay 70k if they think it's 70k worth, not because they could throw money away.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

Agree with the other answers and would add a couple other thoughts:

Can you maybe drop a small amount and structure a payment plan as an incentive with either milestones or monthly's

Outside of the reference is their PR you can get from a drop in price, maybe even a co-sponsored vertical event

If you get them as a customer is this a vertical than you can gain some good momentum?

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

No!!! It is too hard to get money from a business and once you get those businesses in the habit of expecting free, they will never budget for anything more. They will go to your competitors after your trial ends. Charge something, even if it's low.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

I'll preface my statement with a (hopefully) realistic assumption: that your company's service/solution is competitively priced in the market already, and that you can defend this position. How bad do you need this company as a client? Is $10K revenue / $3K profit, plus a name brand customer going to change the game drastically for you? Whether it will or not is not the point; you always want to come to the negotiation table from a POSITION OF STRENGTH.

If this company is throwing out lowball offers, then they are probably mis-guided, or don't take you seriously. If you take yourself seriously, and your product, then you will remember that this is simply a conversation between people. I'm not telling you what to do, but if you were to counter offer them, state your position and lay out all the things you need or want, other money. Better yet, create the scenarios yourself, and let THEM choose... option A, B, or C, which you pre-defined, and all of which are abundantly acceptable to you. I agree with the above commenter, stuff always goes longer and gets more expensive than you think. This is about give and take. You can't take unless you ask. BUT... you have to be willing to WALK. If you're not willing to walk, you're not a true position of strength. Go for a long walk around the neighborhood. Get into a strong state of mind. BAM!

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

Your post is really strange. You look like a virgin, not a CEO. If you were really a CEO you would say no.. Do you know any sales guy who says yes to a 85% discount ? Be serious. Respect yourself.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

that was kinda harsh. insulting them doesn't help either. OP never said whether or not he/she is the CEO, other than they are looking for help, and that takes humility - a quality we all need to continually work on.

AAnonymous· Jan 15, 2015

Yes, you are right. I apologize if my post seems really harsh. I didn't want to be mean.

What I think is negotiation has some limits. If you say the price is 70K, your prospect is not supposed to say "Ok for 10K". It may be ok if you are selling carpets in Marrakech, but usually saying such a low price is disrespectful.

Personally, if my price is 70 and a potential customer offers 10, I say I'm sorry, I can't deliver at this price, and farewell. And if a supplier tell me a price at 70 and I think it is not worth more than 10, I do not say "I buy at 10". I just say i'm not interested, because I don't want to offend anybody, even someone who wants to swindle me.

What I mean: whether you are seller or buyer, you always can say farewell and goodbye if your selling partner is not reasonable. And you don't need to be offending to do so.

AAnonymous· Jan 16, 2015

From sales tactic perspective, I'd toss it back to them and force them to defend their price.

Say, "interesting, out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that figure?" Then whatever they say, use market info or insider info to counter. And ask open questions that lead them to acknowledge the value you're bringing (which will be way higher than 10k).

Sometimes ppl use lowball figures bc

1) they have no idea what they're talking about

2) they want to test commitment / anchor price

3) they want a polite way to tell you to f-off

You need to read the situation. Remember, it's a back and forth (dance). Even if it's a no-go, use the opp to gather data / insights for future sales calls. Never, ever get defensive. (like some posts above)

At the end of the day, if you are solving a problem for them, they will pay for it.

As Liam Neeson likes to say... "good luck."

AAnonymous· Jan 17, 2015

Where are your balls, (lady)man? Call his bluff! You have inside intel and know you have the best product, yet you're panicking? Ever heard of negotiation? Streets ain't for those who crumble like a pack of cards at first breeze.

Bottomline, you have other customers willing to pay the list price, so close them instead? Stop breathing in hype and start small, especially since you don't (yet?) have the liver to go big.

AAnonymous· Jan 18, 2015

Agreed with the other posts - this weirdness is fishy:

This price <em>is</em> a drop in the bucket to someone that big
It's too low to be a negotiation tactic, a reasonable opening would be 50K, plus future consideration
You bring value, and you have other customers. Don't feel obligated to take every offer that comes your way. It's okay to turn down creeps.

AAnonymous· Jan 19, 2015

Others have given enough answers, I'm interested and surprised to look at your loading/profit levels!! :)

I've seen, 20-30, even 50% loading, this is a whooping 90% loading!!

AAnonymous· Jan 22, 2015

If you think cost is $7K, then cost is probably at least $10K. So many hidden costs are hard to calculate.

So no. Never take a chance of working for loss.

AAnonymous· Jan 23, 2015

justify your product to him, you've already said it's the best available. Sell how it can improve his business, the cost savings it can produce, or the price in relation to the sub standard competition (if they are similarly priced) etc. You already know the inside line, don't devalue your work and product. And remember, desperate is not attractive!