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1st time Entrep. raising seed. Have a family. What salary can I expect?

1st time entrepreneur, have a market-validated MVP in a hot space, have a family, mid 30s age… what salary can I expect to take from our (hopefully soon to secure) seed round? Yes we’ll be significantly advancing the product, not JUST taking salary. We are bootsrapped to the max and its getting tough, so we do need to take a salary.

Anybody out there bootsrapped a product, has a family, and desperately needs a salary? What wre you able to pull from a seed round without the investors getting unhappy?

9 answers from the community

AAnonymous· Jan 7, 2015

What does market-validated MVP mean? You have paying customers? You are growing a userbase?

AAnonymous· Jan 8, 2015

no complaints

AAnonymous· Jan 7, 2015

As low as possible is a decent , but not truthful answer. WIth kids, I went at $0 for a few years bootstrapped. WIth funding, it matters on your location as well. Suggest $30k - $60k... May investors, if they see a high number at this stage will bail out.

Some links:

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/01/14/salary-founder-favorite-startup-get-probably-high-one/

http://www.quora.com/What-is-a-reasonable-salary-to-pay-yourself-at-a-startup

http://blog.startupcompass.co/what-determines-founder-salary-levels

http://onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/164/Startup-Founder-Compensation-The-Good-The-Bad-and-The-Irrelevant.aspx

AAnonymous· Jan 7, 2015

OP - yeah we have built a product for businesses. And we have two signups for our test program. It has been successful and has generated revenue for the businesses. Good chance of converting to paying customers.

AAnonymous· Jan 8, 2015

Salary is something you're going to have to negotiate with investors.

For one thing, I'm assuming any serious offers to invest will include requests for things like year 1 budget. The number you put there for salary will be explored in great detail.

My suggestion is to put what you need to survive bare bones. What you will be able to get is very much a function of the product: if it is something with high perceived value, significant entry barrier to competition, and good traction, then you shouldn't have a problem getting your funding and living wage.

If you're just making an app - it is going to be a lot tougher.

AAnonymous· Jan 8, 2015

Investors obviously wants whats best for the company. A founder who can't focus on the company because he's worried about paying rent obviously isn't a good thing.

The investors want to make sure you're you're not living comfy off of their dollars either.

At the end of the day its all about where the investment takes the company. If the goal is to get to profitability or to an exit, then paint a viable picture for that, and include salary into the cost plan. The investor is definitely more interested in whether you can hit that than how much salary you're going to draw (as long as its not outrageous) - no point haggling over salary if the investment is going to be worthless due to an unachievable plan.

AAnonymous· Jan 9, 2015

It's your company so maybe think of it this way... Each dollar you take out decreases your probability of success by some percentage. But you gotta put food on the table. So balance the short and long term.

Be upfront with your spouse and talk through the scenarios / expectations. I honestly think that's the tougher (but more important) discussion!

AAnonymous· Jan 10, 2015

OP here - thanks everyone great advice. We were thinking of taking out $70k each for both founders ?

AAnonymous· Jan 10, 2015

Two founders, each with $70K ? Mid 30s age ? Looks like a red flag, even in SFBA. As a founder, you need to have enough to survive without worrying for you day to day expenses. Not make a big salary. 70K is a big salary. You can justify those needs if you have a sick children or dying parents, but it would be strange both founders have this kind of extraordinary expenses. You can't justify a high wage just because your wife may divorce if you don't offer her diamonds monthly.

At this level, you must be aware investors will investigate deeply why you "need" so much. If you say "my twin toddler both have cancer", it will not be the same than if you say "my car is old fashioned and I need a brand new one". Take care: as a founder, you are not supposed to be in for an immediate corporate salary and investors are not there to derisk you.